family that goes distance interview

A Family That Goes The Distance - An Interview with Beverley Anderson-Abbs

and Alan Abbs

It's always nice when a husband and wife share a passion for sport,

particularly one that incurs the long training hours of ultra running.

Take this to the extreme, and you have the Abbs family - two

powerhouse endurance athletes from Red Bluff, CA, who excel in ultra

runs of all distances, multi-day races, and adventure racing. Both are

sponsored by Sunsweet Growers (http://www.sunsweet.com/).

(Alan Abbs at the American River 50 Mile)

Alan is a regular top finisher in ultras of all lengths, with

impressive finishes at Run On The Sly (1st), Western States (21:39),

the Coastal Challenge in Costa Rica (5th), finishing 5th overall in

the 2004 Fuel Belt ultrarunner.net series, as well as top 3 finishes

in a slew of Adventure Races (Cal Eco Series, Big Blue, and

Eco-Challenge among others), duathlons, and triathlons. By day, he's a

manager for the local waste management/recycling authority.

(Bev Abbs at the Miwok 100k)

"Bev" is no stranger to the podium herself. After finishing a "perfect

set" for the 2004 Fuel Belt ultrarunner.net series (5 wins in 5

races), she raced the Eco-Challenge, placed 2nd female at the 2005

Western States 100 (her first 100-miler in 19:16)), won the USATF

Master's Championships for 50k and 50 miles, and won first overall at

the Coastal Challenge, a seven-day stage race in Costa Rica. She has

been named one of the top female ultra runners by both Ultrarunning

magazine and the USATF, is currently leading the Trail Runner Magazine

Ultra series, and it seems her endurance career is only beginning. She

recently returned to school for a second graduate degree and began a

job as an environmental scientist with a Sacramento River Conservation

Group.

I caught up with the Abbs on one of their rare "down weekends".

First, congratulations on a fabulous '04 and '05 season! It's amazing

you have both been able to pack in such a variety of endurance events.

How do you go about choosing among them?

(Bev) Thanks Scott. The past few years have been pretty full for us.

We did a lot of adventure races from 2000 thru 2003, but we've

consistently been running 50Ks as training for the big adventure

races. For those years we just tried to get in as many adventure races

as we could get to, which can be difficult with both of us working

full time- we've had to choose events that we could get to after work

on Friday. Once we had filled in our schedule with adventure races we

just started adding running events to the empty weekends. There were

some months when we didn't spend a single weekend at home! Last year

was a little different as we really focused on two major adventure

races, so more weekends got filled up with running. This year, we just

tried to fill up the year with running. We still have the occasional

time management issues- I just started a new job in January and

immediately went to Costa Rica for The Coastal Challenge so there

aren't a lot of vacation days to draw on yet. My boss let me call my

days off for Western States "sick days" since he thought they fit just

as well in that category.

(Wife and husband team, Bev and Alan - now that's what I call team

bonding!)

Can you tell us a bit about your Eco-Challenge experience and how that

compares to ultra running? Do you think that being a husband/wife team

helped?

(Bev) Eco-Challenge seems a little like ancient history now- we did

Eco-Challenge Borneo in 2000. Although we have done several other

expedition races since, including Primal Quest, Raid the North

Extreme, and Eco-Challenge North America, nothing quite compares to

Borneo. Since it was our first expedition race, our training amounted

to racing with our team as much as possible to get used to each other

and find out strengths and weaknesses. Adventure racing is really

different from ultra-running in a lot of ways. The team aspect of it

makes it interesting. You're never completely relying on yourself, but

you also always have to be prepared to help someone else. I think it's

easier to give up and slow down in an ultra when you're alone out

there. But if you know a team has put in a huge amount of training and

money to get to one race, it's a little harder to just sit down and

hang out in a transition area if you don't feel well. The multi-sport

training helps keep you a little fresher through the year, and it

makes it a little more interesting. For training, we used to just pull

out a topo map of the nearby forest, pick a few points and go... run,

walk, crawl...whatever. One time we decided to do the Whiskeytown 50k

course backwards, in the snow. We ended up stumbling down a mountain

beside a creek, switching between snowshoes and post holing in the

dark. It took us about 12 hours, which we had been unprepared for, so

we had headlights with low batteries and our poor dog. Every time we

stopped to check the map she'd curl up in a snowshoe indentation and

sleep until we were ready to go again. I've never seen her so happy to

get to a road before.

(Shasta Abbs back at home)

(Alan) I think the husband/wife aspect in adventure racing is an

overall positive. Two people are half of a team, and so we know at

least half of us have the same training, equipment, and mental state.

We also know when it's okay to be a little bit mean to each other in

order to get to the finish line faster!

One thing I do miss about adventure racing is the feeling of being out

in the middle of nowhere, and you're relying only on your teammates

and what you have in your backpack, and you're just plugging along

hour by hour, day by day. There's something kind of peaceful about

fast-walking all night in the dark, and as the sun's coming up you

check your landmarks and realize you're almost exactly where you

thought you were. On the flip side, when you realize you have no idea

where you are, that's kind of a bummer...

How did you meet each other? Were you crazy endurance athletes before

getting married?

(Bev) We were actually pretty sane road bike racers living in San

Diego at the time. We both happened to take a track racing class to

work on sprint speed and started chatting. It turned out that Alan

knew my brother, a bike racer in Baltimore at the time, and that

opened the doors. He gave me a ride home after the track class and we

started going to rides and races together. It was pretty amazing,

really. Our first real date was a criterium- pretty romantic, right?

How did each of you get into trail running, and how long have you been

at it?

(Bev) Alan kind of pushed me into trail running and longer distance

runs. I had been a runner in Junior High and High School, but had hurt

my knees pretty badly toward the end of grade 12. I tried everything

else through university, settling on body building for quite a while,

and then switching to cycling. When Alan and I met, he convinced me to

start doing some running races, 5ks, 10ks, nothing too serious. When

we moved up to Red Bluff we'd go to some of the local runs and Alan

would run the marathon while I would run the 5 or 10k associated with

it. When we started doing adventure races, he convinced me that I had

better be able to run longer distances, so I did a � marathon, a 50k,

and a marathon all within about a month. After that was Eco-Challenge

Borneo, and as we did more adventure races it became obvious that the

good teams ran whenever they could. In 2003/04 we filled in

non-adventure race weekends with 50k events as training. This is the

first year we've really focused on ultra running, and we're still

trying to optimize our training.

Bev, you had an outstanding debut at the Western States 100. Were you

expecting to do so well? Alan, you also had a great race - was that

your first States as well?

(Bev) Thanks, Scott. I really had no idea what to expect going into

Western States. I didn't think I had trained properly for it,

especially after talking to some people who have done it multiple

times and hearing how many miles they were putting in each week. I

finally decided that with my adventure racing background I would be

able to at least finish it, even if I wasn't completely ready, and I'd

just go out to have fun. As I said to my friend Royce just before

WS100, "my training will get me about half way, then my stubbornness

will have to kick in". I have to say, I had a blast on the snow at the

beginning. It felt more like an adventure race and I was chatting

about that with some of the guys I was near. When I found out I was

running with Dean Karnazes and Tim Tweitmeyer I started wondering what

I was getting myself into. I felt pretty good for the first half but,

unfortunately, I got pretty sick after Foresthill and spent the next

few hours being sick and sobbing. I learned the importance of a pacer

during that time; I don't think I'd have continued if Trevor hadn't

been with me coaxing me on. (He told me several weeks later he hadn't

thought I was capable of looking so bad...thanks Trev!)

(Alan)- I felt pretty good about Western States - I thought I could

break 22 hours, and I came in at 21:39, pretty good for a first

attempt. I had a blast in the canyons and passed quite a few people,

and I had delusions of a sub 21. But things got a little rough in the

last 20 miles once I got down to the river. Matt Simms, my pacer, kept

me moving forward and saved the day. He didn't let me throw up until

after the finish line!

I bet recovery day at the Abbs household was pretty scary after that.

(Alan) To be honest, I don't remember much following WS. I guess we

worked our way home and slept. It seems it was hard to keep food in

the house for the next little while! Folks around town know that if

we're walking slow or are wearing sandals it's probably because we

just did something crazy. Then Sunsweet asked us to go out and find

Dave Horton on his Pacific Crest trail record attempt as he came

through Lassen National Park the following weekend, so we did two 40

mile days the following weekend, loaded with water and goodies.

I get "chicked" at ultras all the time (ie, when a woman beats me,

usually by a very large margin). Alan, do you ever feel bad about

getting "chicked" by your own spouse?

(Alan) If I felt bad every time Bev beat me in a running race, I'd

probably have quit by now. It does give me an excuse to make her drive

home from the races- she's been finished longer and has had more

recovery time.

(Bev Abbs sets the pace at the Way Too Cool 50k)

If both of you race, who the heck crews for you?!?

(Bev) Good question. This has been a problem for us with both

adventure racing and ultra-running. We don't have that built-in crew

that a lot of other married people have so we've had to become pretty

self-reliant. For adventure racing, we were at a point where we only

chose races where crew wasn't required, unless another team member

could supply someone. Last year when we did PrimalQuest, we made a

joke to our friend, Royce, about how much fun he'd have roughing it in

a U-Haul while we raced through Washington for two weeks, and an hour

later he told us that he'd cleared his schedule for 2 and half weeks!

Something like that is a rarity, and we'll never be able to repay him

for that.

For ultras, WS100 is the only race we've used crews in- it has become

noticeable, and a little frustrating, when I've been very close to

another runner with a crew and I see how much time they save in each

aid station. I've spent a lot of time doing the math to determine how

much I've lost on a runner with a crew. For WS100, I had some friends

out crewing, one was the second place finisher from the Coastal

Challenge, she flew out from New York to help crew and then pace me

the final 20 miles. Alan's crew was a couple from Sunsweet who live

near us. They have been great friends and have helped out in several

of the races we have put on.

Do you train with a running club, or have a group of other

ultrarunners you train with?

(Alan) We do belong to the SWEAT running club out of Redding, but we

don't run with them very often. Time is usually pretty tight, and an

hour of driving to go for a run is often not feasible when we're home,

especially with all the home chores we have to make up for. We do run

with Luanne Park from Montrail and Trevor Nelson from Vasque quite a

bit- they both live in Redding. We usually just run together and we

have a great dog, our beautiful Dalmatian, Shasta, who has been

running with us for years.

I've been to Red Bluff, CA, and it seems like a wonderful area. Have

you both been there long? Where did you each grow up?

(Bev) We've lived here in Red Bluff for 8 years and are still

exploring the area. Red Bluff is a great area for outdoor activities.

We have a wonderful open space area within a 10 minute drive where we

go to run and mountain bike, and we've put on a couple of short

adventure races there. Within 40 minutes or so we have Whiskeytown NRA

and Lassen National Park and Forest. Both fantastic places for trail

running, mountain biking, paddling... just about anything. And, on top

of it all, we have the Sacramento River running through the middle of

town! You can't beat it. Things can get a bit hot and dry in the

summer though- most of July and August this year was above 100

degrees.

I grew up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, a great city with the Rocky

Mountains an hour away, but miserably cold in the winter. Alan's from

Northern Virginia, and he claims running there is like breathing

water.

What/who inspires you to race?

(Alan) One of the great things about running for Sunsweet, besides the

dried plums, is the feeling that you're running on behalf of all the

people that grow and package Sunsweet dried fruit. Tehama County,

where we live, and many of the counties in the Central Valley of

California provide a significant amount of fruit for Sunsweet, so it's

not uncommon to run into folks wearing Sunsweet hats or shirts, or

displaying signs in front of their fields. It makes it harder to

rationalize slowing down when you know that so many folks are going to

ask you how you've done racing! Not only that, Sunsweet has been

really excited about running and ultrarunning as a sport- this year

they sponsored the Montrail Cup, as well as numerous local races. We

appreciate all the support they've given us, and the running

community.

It's also nice to know that we're having a positive effect on others

that are interested in running. My niece, Dillyn, who's 7, just ran

her first 10K- for her minutes per mile pace, she'll be a future

Western States champion! Bev also has a little girl here in town that

idolizes her named Jackie Hollmer, and she recently won her first

elementary school cross country race, breaking away from a pack of 65

to emerge from the woods with a huge lead wearing a shirt Bev had

given her. They could be Sunsweet runners in 2020.

What are some of your favorite races/locations?

(Bev) I couldn't possibly say enough about the Coastal Challenge in

Costa Rica. I loved it there. The race itself had way too much running

on beaches, but the areas we were in were beautiful. Once we got into

the jungle trails...what a joy! Gawking at monkeys hanging in the

trees, the birds, everything...that was what running should be,

enjoying the area you're traveling through. Locally, it's hard to pick

a favorite area for a race as they are all put on in spectacular

places, but I enjoy Purisima Creek 50k and Rucky Chucky Roundabout

50k. They are early in the season when the weather is pretty much

perfect and they are very well managed races, low key and a lot of

fun.

(Alan) The Where's Waldo 100K is an outstanding race in a beautiful

location (SW of Eugene, OR), directed by one of your recent

interviewees and great guy, Craig Thornley. We've been heading up

there a lot lately to train, and we've only scratched the surface of

all the trails in the area. In his interview with you, Craig said (in

jest, I think) "Don't come to Oregon," but we like the area so much,

we're planning a trail running festival in late July 2006- a 5M hill

climb, a 5M downhill, a flattish 10 miler, and a 50K. Hopefully we'll

attract some long distance and shorter distance runners looking to see

what trail running is all about...

Since Bev already mentioned Rucky Chucky, I'll put in a plug for one

of our local races, the Whiskeytown 50K just outside of Redding in

late October. John Luaces, if you're reading this, let's go back to

the original course where we climb Shasta Bally!

Lastly, a few training questions. What's a typical training week look

like for you? How many miles? Is it the same in preparing for

adventure races, stage races, and ultras?

(Alan)- Our training has really varied the last few years based on

what have been the most important races of the year. Prior to 2005, it

was always a long adventure race, and so we'd split training time

between biking, running, kayaking, and weightlifting. Since we've

focused on running this year, we've cut back a bit on the biking, and

a lot on the kayaking. Generally, our runs during the week never last

longer than 90 minutes, and on the weekends we're able to go longer.

We probably run a lot less than we should- we're lucky to get 60 to 70

miles a week. Embarrassingly enough, we also don't do much in the way

of intervals or specific hill work, and I think that's where we'll

really need to focus if we want to improve for 2006.

For 2006, we're thinking about trying the Grand Slam, and throwing in

the Hurt 100 as well, so we'll have to get a bit more serious about

getting in the long miles over the winter.

(Bev)- I'd like to point out that I have tried to get Alan to do

intervals and hill training but he can be a little stubborn. I did

find that sticking to the 50k distance, I could get away with not much

specific training. With the much longer races we've done this year, I

seem to be getting more injuries than I'm used to. I enjoyed training

for adventure races because it was always something different. One of

my favorite days was driving up river 15 miles, kayaking down to a

park about a mile from home where we'd attach wheels to the kayaks and

roll them to our house. Then we'd drive back to a place about 12 miles

from the original put in and trail run back to the start. It was a

great all day event!

What are your favorite foods/race snacks?

(Bev) I typically don't eat much when I'm racing. My system pretty

much shuts down so I just force down Clif Shots. I know I need the

calories so for me that's what it's all about. I've tried to eat "real

food", but I have a hard time chewing and swallowing. That's what made

me so ill at Western States, my crew tried to force feed me. Of course

Sunsweet dries plums, have been great. They're easy to chew and

swallow, and have excellent levels of sugars and potassium. They saved

me in The Coastal Challenge, when one of the aid stations didn't have

water and all I had was a couple of packets of Sunsweet plums to get

to the next aid.

(Alan) My stomach can handle food a bit better than Bev, but for long

races I usually end up eating fruit (dried and fresh), and gels.

Obviously, the only dried fruit is Sunsweet- I'm partial to orange

essence dried plums, dates, and mangos. You read a lot about the need

for antioxidants in exercising to aid recovery and prevent

inflammation, and dried plums kick serious butt when it comes to

antioxidants. Blueberries, raisins, strawberries- all posers!

And while I'm on my soapbox- look for Sunsweet stuff in your local

grocery store. :-)

A lot of the blog readers love to hear about "lessons learned" (ie,

things that didn't go right that perhaps they could avoid). Any you

would like to pass on?

(Alan) A long time ago, I thought to myself "Hey, I think I'll run a

marathon." So I came up with this plan that for the 8 weeks leading up

to it, every Thursday I'd do a long run where I'd go for 15 minutes

longer than the week before. I got up to about 2:15. Of course, on

marathon day I was feeling like a champ until right about the 2:15

mark, and the last few miles we're pretty miserable- I think it was

just a mental block because I'd never run that far. The lesson- It's

always easier to do something when you've done it before. That's

probably pretty obvious to your readers. I'll bet most ultrarunners

could log off their computers, lace up their shoes, grab some food and

run a marathon or 50K or 50M, without even thinking about it or

otherwise preparing for it. For people that haven't done that distance

before, believing they can do it is half the battle.

(Bev) Have fun. I've seen too many people who tie themselves to a

rigid training schedule and forget why they do this in the first

place. We had an opportunity to meet a group of friends at the Grand

Canyon this spring and run rim to rim to rim a few weeks before

Western States. We just went there, ran it, and came home. What a

blast that was, and we're already trying to figure out an epic place

to do something similar for 2006. But some friends we asked to join us

wouldn't go because it wasn't on their training calendar- their

loss...

On the stage races and adventure races, it seems there isn't much time

to recover. Any recovery tips/secrets you would like to share?

(Bev) Regular massage and chiropractic seem to do a lot for us in

working out the day to day pains. We have a great friend who is a

massage therapist and has been taking care of us for several years

(she made me cry when she was working on my quad pull from Where's

Waldo). She also set us up with a sponsorship from Kremer Chiropractic

in Red Bluff. We've been seeing Scott Kremer 2 or 3 times a week for a

year and half now. I don't know if I could do the distances I do

without that.

In an adventure race you are typically going straight through so

recovery isn't really an issue. You try not to stop because that's

when you stiffen up and have to get moving again. For a stage race,

recovery is really not an option. In a race like The Coastal

Challenge, if you're going for it every day you recognize that you

will hurt for the first 30 minutes to an hour each day. The best thing

I found was to try to force myself into a "normal" form as quickly as

possible, the longer you let yourself limp or protect the sore

muscles, the longer it will take for them to stretch out and put up

with what you are doing. Day three was really bad for me in that race,

and I've talked to other stage racers who have said that's pretty

common. If you can force yourself past day 3 you're pretty good for

the rest of the time. It's tough though. You have to train yourself to

go day after day, even if it does hurt, to prepare for stage racing.

Oh...and eat! This is where I usually blow it. When I finish a race I

usually don't feel like eating, although I know I should right away,

so I'll often wait around for Alan so I can eat with him, but then he

doesn't want to right away either. There have been some races I've

finished and not eaten for more than 2 hours after. This is absolutely

not good for recovery.

Any tips you would like to pass on to somebody trying their first

ultra? How about a first stage race, or a first adventure race?

(Alan) It seems a lot of people have a misconception that you have to

"run" an entire ultra, and so they're afraid to give it a shot,

because they don't think they can run longer than a marathon. Take it

from me- it's o.k. to walk sometimes!

If you're looking to do your first adventure race, come up to Red

Bluff in late April and do the Sunsweet Tehama Extreme Adventure Race!

In two years, we've had a 99% finishing rate, and when you're doing

something for the first time, nothing beats being able to cross the

finish line. You'll get dirty, wet, sweaty, tired and you'll have lots

of fun. Best of all, proceeds go to charity for college scholarships

for future farmers.

What's next on the race/run agenda?

(Alan) We're taking a bit of time off, but October and November will

be busy. We're both doing the Whiskeytown 50K and Helen Klein 50 on

back-to-back weekends, and then I'm heading east to run with my sister

in her first marathon (Richmond Marathon). For both of us, I think

that'll put us at around 15 races for the year. After that, we'll be

putting in miles for 2006. The Hurt 100 kicks off the year in January.

Anything else you'd like to add?

(Bev) I'd like to say thank you to the ultra runners I've met and

raced with the past few years. Everyone in the ultra running community

has been so supportive and has had a lot more confidence in me than

I've had coming into this sport. I'm always amazed when people know

who I am and the cheers and comments on the trail go a long way toward

keeping me moving. The race directors, volunteers, and racers give so

much to the sport and we are hoping to be able to give some back by

putting on races ourselves. We've put on a couple of adventure races

and 5 and 10k races in the past and we are planning a two day trail

running festival in Oregon for July 2006. We hope that we can give

back to the racers who have been so great to us. Look for information

about the Sunsweet Trail Running festival in Oakridge, Oregon.

Thanks for a great interview!